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Michael Josefowicz

Maybe a way to get out of this knot is to frame it as design can help the people who are changing the world, change it faster.

While designers have no special knowledge about how to change the world, and fall into the same trap of pride as other intellect workers, they do have the training and expertise to communicate ideas.

Citizens, including designers, are working every day to make a better world. Helping them communicate more effectively could be very helpful.

Shane Johnston

First, let me preface this with my belief that a designer, student or not, should not rely upon the institution of education for an education, but on his/her own passion for design for a true learning experience.

I am, like most puritanical designers, in complete agreeance with your argument. We as people must deal with our own cultural, enviromental, and social imperatives and if the discipline of design allows for a dynamic shift in the world around us, all the better. What is lacking though is the irrelevant nature of design when compared to the needs of the average human.

As a designer, decisions that must be made are not confined to the personal manifesto of beliefs but to the fiscal, personal, and spiritual needs of an individual. In this instance, design at best works in tangent with the designer. In the setting of a school, it is easy to forget that for the majority of designers, design can sometimes contain very small amounts of personal input. Much of the process is predecated by the 'creative directors', engineers and marketing personel. Design for profit has the tendancy of placing the designer low on the 'design' totem pole.

Until those that retain the majority of power (business men, corporate presidents, politicians) begin to recognize the power of the creative and motivated class of individuals, little can be done to properly utilize these peoples positions in the hierarchical partitioning of society.

Thomas Jockin

Michael and Shane,

First and foremost, I am much honored and pleased by your responses to my article. Time is the supreme commodity, so I truly appreciate you taking your time to share your feelings about my argument. PM exists to create conversations, so Mission Accomplished in my eyes :)

Michael,

Design most certainly actually get, pardon my bluntness, shit done when they live in reality and not in the blah, blah, blah that most work in "social good design" entails.

Simply put, its not built into the way design is taught and practiced today effectively. We're still taught and practice in the modernist model and that leave very little resources and incentives to really contribute in this sphere, because design's value incentives today is to add value to (aka sell) shit. End of story.

That's not how we're going to save or change the world. Thus why design's attempts to do so have been suboptimal— as David Stair's article concludes.

Shane,

Honestly, for the great majority of design students, they do not have this "…passion for design for a true learning experience". as you claim. For most students, design is just a *means* rather than an *ends*.

Design's just a way to pay the bills, doing something they "like" and do other things like travel, get smashed over the weekends, etc. etc.

In a context like this, it really that surprising that most designers work in places where,"Much of the process is predecated by the 'creative directors', engineers and marketing personel."?

What you put in, is what you get out.

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